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December 10, 2015

Dennis Prager has a point

What Dennis Prager says in his most recent column (“The hate is all in one direction”) is right – liberal Jews, rabbis and laypeople, responded in these pages to his piece “Torah and the transgendered” with a lot of passion and rhetoric, even beauty, without addressing his central claim. That claim, to boil it down, is that we Jews who are accepting of transgender people care more about compassion than halakhah, than the law of the Torah. The counter-argument that compassion is halakhah, is Torah, doesn’t cut it, because that’s an argument about the meaning of halakhah, about how halakhah works, not a halakhic argument.

I am also ready to believe Prager when he says that he wasn’t speaking with hatred towards transgender people. Certainly, he gave a nod toward understanding when he wrote in his first column, “One has to have a callous heart not to feel compassion toward anyone who suffers from gender dysphoria. It is surely awful to go through life thinking one’s body is of the wrong sex.” Of course, he also speaks in both articles with the sure sense of someone who believes in his own superiority as a champion of the Torah. That’s annoying, and perhaps less than admirable, but it’s not hateful.

Since other have already addressed the ways in which Prager’s words could be harmful, what I’d like to do here is respond to his argument on his own terms. I see two avenues of response. The first is that we could rebut his claim that the Torah only affirms the binary of gender, of male and female. The tricky part about this is, you can’t answer that claim so easily from the Torah itself, which doesn’t have a figure like Tiresias, the Greek prophet who was explicitly male and female. Rather, you need rabbinic midrash and halakhah. Kabbalah doesn’t hurt either. I will return to those in a moment.

The second response is the more cutting one: transgender identity as we are constructing it today doesn’t undo the binary of gender at all.

Rather, it affirms the binary of gender. It’s only because we’re a society that is based on the existence of just two genders, and no more, that someone whose inner identity is male but is in a female body, or is female in a male body, needs to transition, instead of simply being what they are. Most “cis-gender” people (people who feel like the gender that they biologically conform to) aren’t comfortable with someone they meet, or work with, until they can affix to them the label of male or female, so most transgender people are forced to conform themselves, both before and after their transition, to one of their genders. If we had more than two genders, then it would be easy to affirm male-born-female and female-born-male, alongside male-born-male and female-born-female, as real genders in and of themselves.

Of course, if you know halakhah already, you know what I’m getting at. Rabbinic law does exactly this – it affirms seven – seven! – genders. Not just two. That’s because long before we developed our menu of sexual and gender identities, there have always been intersex people, people whose gender was biologically incomplete, ambiguous or multiple. The rabbis had to make space for them in Torah, even though the Torah never tells us about anyone who is intersex. So the rabbis have bequeathed us these genders: androginos, tumtum, saris adam, saris chamah, ailonit, zachar, n’keivah. (Those words mean: someone born with both male and female genital parts, someone born with indistinct parts, a male who doesn’t develop secondary sexual characteristics because he was castrated, a male who doesn’t develop secondary sexual characteristics for biological reasons, a female who doesn’t develop secondary sexual characteristics, a male who does develop those characteristics, and a female who does develop those characteristics.)

Everyone who has thought about gender and Jewish law – so many wonderful scholars, and so many wonderful people who are transgender – knows this and writes about it. (See for example, transtorah.org  or Balancing on the Mechitza.) Why doesn’t Dennis Prager, the champion of Torah, know it?

The question then isn’t whether we can challenge the gender binary that appears to be part of Torah, since that has already been done, conclusively. There is no room to debate that, unless of course one wishes to leave rabbinic Judaism (which, of course, is Prager’s right if he so wishes). The question is, how do transgender identities today fit into these categories. Or, if they don’t fit into these categories, do we need to add more categories (which, of course, those of us interested in halakhah can do using halakhah)?

I’m proud to be raising my boy in Northampton MA, an epicenter for transgender rights. For him, transgender is part of what’s normal. But I had to work hard to get what it all meant when my best friend transitioned years ago. So I’m not surprised that our newfound openness about transgender identity is confusing to Prager.

Our whole society is going through a transition, and it wouldn’t be such a surprising change, even to Prager, if not for the fact that in the modern age, medicine decided it could “fix” people who were intersex by cutting and remodeling their genitals, usually to make them look male. (This was also how doctors developed sexual reassignment surgery for transgender people.) Of course, this medical suppression of intersex genitalia started before people knew much about x and y chromosomes, and many people who were genetically male or genetically female were assigned the opposite gender. This was almost always hidden from the children who were operated on, and often even hidden from their parents. It’s an outrage, something the law today would never allow. But it’s a big part of why we know that gender is not just in the body, but “in the head”. We know that because so many people who were assigned a gender opposite their chromosomes never felt right in their bodies, always feeling like they were the opposite gender.

None of this changes the fact that neurologists have not found a clear distinction between female and male brains. None of this changes the fact that most people go through life comfortably being the gender everyone else already thought they were. But what a gift we have, to live in a world where, finally, our society is catching up to rabbinic law!

Compassion does have something to add to halakhah, though, and it is this: we can give halakhic standing to people’s self-understanding of who they are, instead of just to how their sexual characteristics develop in the womb or at puberty. This has been agreed upon by many halakhic authorities, the most well-known being the Tzitz Eliezer. The question we find in the Orthodox responsa that agree with this opinion is not whether it’s possible to transition from male to female or female to male, but rather, how far one needs to go to have that transition affirmed by halakhah. What kind of “doctor’s order” is necessary before someone born female can turn into a halakhic male, or vice versa? Does one need to simply dress one way or the other? Does one need take hormones and gain breasts or a beard? Does one also need to have surgery – top surgery or bottom surgery? Or is bottom surgery even permitted?

But that’s all a matter of deciding when a person transitioning counts as fully male or fully female. For liberal Judaism, such distinctions matter little, but for Orthodox Judaism, where only men can count in a minyan or as witnesses on a document, it becomes important. Not important for a person’s identity, nor for whether there are two genders or more, but for where that person should sit in synagogue and (in some cases) whom they can marry. It’s complex, but it’s hardly the society shattering issue that Prager makes it out to be.
I personally think it’s a great blessing that as liberal Jews we don’t need to reassert the binary of gender in order to uphold a mechitzah (even though I sometimes like davening with a mechitzah). Instead, even in synagogue, we can let gender be fluid. But outside of synagogue, even in the books of the most traditional Judaisms, gender was already fluid.

So here are a few examples, beyond the halakhah, just to tweak our brains a bit. According to the traditional understanding of Genesis, the first human was both male and female, combined in one body. (Genesis Rabbah 8:1, Talmud Bavli B’rakhot 61a, Eruvin 18a) That’s why in Genesis 1 it says, “in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them”. (Gen. 1:27) According to the midrash, it’s only in Genesis 2 that the male and female halves were separated. And lest we miss the subtle message about God’s image, the Torah later tells us that “you must make no male OR female image of God” (Deut. 4:16) – in other words, if we are to imagine God, we should not imagine God as only male or only female, because God’s image is necessarily both male and female (and everything in between and beyond).

According to Kabbalah, no image of God is a “true and high image”, no presence of God resides in a place, unless it includes both male and female. (See, e.g., Zohar 1:55b.) Every creature is both male and female. (Tikunei Zohar 89b) According to Isaac Luria, a male soul can be born into a female body (Shaar Hagilgulim, ch.9), while Yosef Karo discusses a female soul incarnating as a male (Magid Meisharim). (See also Bavli B’rakhot 60a.)

Now, if Dennis Prager just wants to talk about Torah verses, he has a leg to stand on, specifically Deuteronomy 22:5. But if he wants two legs, if he wants to be a proponent of Jewish law and rabbinic Judaism, then it’s time for him to open his mind, just as it’s time for all of us. After all, almost no one over the age of 20 grew up in a world where people thought about more than two genders. So many transgender people also grew up in that atmosphere, feeling wrong, cursed, because they didn’t fit in with the binary of gender, instead of blessed because they knew more than this binary.

Now we all are on the road toward understanding how gender is more than two. And that road leads to a liberation, an arousal of compassion, for all of us, because each one of us is more than just male or female, each one of us is male and female, zachar un’keivah. We know that for many reasons, one being that the Torah says so. I trust that if Dennis Prager opens his mind to these very Jewish facts, his heart may also become more open, not just to having even more compassion for transgender people, but to finding ways within halakhah to transition halakhah, so that we may honor their choices.

Rabbi David Seidenberg is the creator of neohasid.org and the author of Kabbalah and Ecology: God’s Image in the More-Than-Human World (Cambridge 2015, kabbalahandecology.com). David was ordained by both the Jewish Theological Seminary and Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, and he teaches on text, music, dance, and ecology, and on all aspects of Jewish thought and spirituality. David also founded the first Chasidic-egalitarian minyan, on NYC’s Upper West Side.

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Cruz: I’m guided by Netanyahu’s policy on Syria

The United States staying out of the civil war in Syria and not intervening to topple Assad is shared by Israel, America’s closest ally in the region, Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz said Thursday. 

Speaking at the Heritage Foundation Thursday morning, Cruz explained that his anti-interventionist policy on Syria is identical to Netanyahu’s policy on Syria. “I would note that my view that we don’t have a side in the Syrian civil war is shared by at least one other world leader with a cleared eye and a direct vision of what’s happening – Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu,” Cruz stated. “[Netanyahu] was asked when he visited Washington last month why he didn’t intervene in this Syrian civil war? And he responded, simply, that he would only do so if he had a clear side, which at this point he did not.” 

Cruz further quoted Netanyahu as saying, “When two of your enemies are fighting each other, I don’t say strengthen one or the other, I say weaken both, or at least don’t intervene.” 

The Republican presidential hopeful said he was guided by the Israeli premier’s comments. “At a time of great parallel, we need the Churchillian clarity and vision that Prime Minister Netanyahu provides because he doesn’t have the time for the political correctness that so hamstrings the Obama administration,” he stressed. “I think we should listen to our closest ally in the region. And in the absence of a viable alternative to Assad, that isn’t ISIS, I think we should focus on the immediate and unambiguous challenge to our security which is, utterly, destroying ISIS.”

Cruz also addressed his fondness of Netanyahu during a Q-and-A session. “He’s a leader who understand, full well, the threats that are facing both his nation but also facing American,” he said. “He’s a leader who has a clarity of vision that I think this nation desperately needs.”

Echoing his GOP hopefuls on the matter, Cruz said that President Obama refusing to meet Netanyahu during his controversial visit to address a joint session of Congress in March was “one of the most shameful aspects” of the administration that shows “how bad American Foreign Policy has gotten” towards Israel. “And that is something that will change if I’m elected president.”

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Hanukkah Rocks is Profound and Delightful, Ten Years On

One of the most important commentaries on Jewish life in America was released ten years ago and is still sadly flying under the radar. Even when recognized, it is usually misunderstood. I am speaking of course about the LeeVee's Hanukkah Rocks Album, originally released ten years ago on JDub Records. 

If you have heard this album you know it's infectious and joyous nature is a result of some of rock's great musicians from the Zambonis and Guster. These are seasoned professionals that turned their notes towards Hanukkah and we, the Jewish people, will forever be grateful.

The LeeVee's not only recorded an album with great melodies, rhythms, and lyrics, but they authored a profound statement on the nature of being Jewish, Jewish values, nationhood, and Jewish philosophy.

Looking at Hanukkah Rocks from a rabbinical perspective, the issues, the topics, the mitzvahs literally leap off the page, it all screams darsheni “œinterpret me”! What follows is humbly called the Midrash of Hanukkah Rocks which I wrote in 2005 when the album was reelased.

Hanukkah Rocks Midrash, Vol. 1

The album begins with Latke Clan, a ballad on Jewish nationhood. Not so long ago, we could describe the Jewish people as a community of believers, as Rabbi Hirsch wrote in the 19th century. Jews were held together by a belief system, rooted in the Torah, and our historical precariousness. Today, the entire notion of what constitutes Jewish people-hood is up for grabs. Are we just a loosely affiliated ethnic group with fondness for special foods during winter holidays, or is there a deeper bond, deeper meaning? Latke Clan establishes that while we may be rooted in ethnic food rituals, we are still bound together by familial affiliation and remain a home centered people. And far from being exclusive, it emphasizes the Abraham and Sarah open-tent approach: “So come and join our Latke Clan, We'™ll save you a plate.” In other words, the door is open at all times to Jews and their admirers to partake in our historic mission of being a light unto the nations. You have a role to play, no matter your place now, join us at the big table.

The third song, Goyim Friends, keeps with the theme of Jewish people-hood. Linguists and cultural anthropologists should take note of the use of a once taboo word in the title of this song (and see below How Do You Spell). The word goy is now out of the closet. Goyim Friends is one of the most eloquent testaments to the Jewish longing for a final redemption, and the end of our spiritual and physical exile.

Goyim Friends establishes that Chanukah is NOT a Jewish Christmas. Chanukah must retain its place in the entire spectrum of Jewish holydays, part of the spiritual lifeblood of our communal identity. Chanukah is a special time of year for family, food and fun. An important moment in the Jewish year, but by no means the pinnacle.

But Goyim Friends goes further, to look at the nature of the holiday itself in the modern era. For what does Chanukah stand for today, when the Jewish Temple lies in ruins, when Jews remain spiritualy exiled, when assimilation today is at its highest levels since the Hellenist era, when ironically Jews have become hip? While gentile friends eat their ham, honey glazed, baked to perfection, what is our response “Jews march on with General Tsao and Egg Foo Yung” which symbolizes our long march towards Moshiach and Tchias HaMatim, the resurrection of the dead.

In other words, our focus has not changed, even though our historical circumstances have. This poignant issue, the struggle between Jacob and Esav, between Chanukah and Christmas, two different world views reverberates throughout Hanukkah Rocks. The Goyim are jealous, “How lucky we are to get off each holiday like Tu B'Shvat, Purim, and Rosh Hashanah”. This jealousy, as recorded in the Talmud, is a root cause of Anti-Semitism. And what is the Jewish response LeeVees? “It's oh so wrong, but we will march on.”

Is this not a plea to G-d to end our exile, and to restore the Jewish people to a place of spiritual leadership in the world?

The second song of Hanukah Rocks is on the nature of Free Will vs. determinism. Apple Sauce vs. Sour Cream emphasizes the philosophical underpinnings of our theology. “œLife has many decisions, it moves in all directions, this is just one huge enormous decision.” Everything is foreseen, and yet we still retain free choice. Why? We have free choice because otherwise humanity would be nothing more than robots, performing Gods will and not our own. Free choice is part of our theological understanding of the nature of the world, and just as the seemingly tiny decision of what we want to put on our latkes requires a decision, so do the most important decisions in life. Do I want to be part of the Jewish people? What kind of life do I want to live? What is my obligation, if any to my history and culture? It cannot be summed up any better “every decision in life has consequences and significance.”

One of the most fundamental commandments in the Torah, in fact it made the top ten, is honoring your mother and father. At The Time Share eloquently illustrates that while we must bear at times insults, and backhanded compliments, our fundamental obligation is to honor our parents. It doesn’t say love, or even like, just honor.

“My mother says that it won'™t be long before she lives there all year round.” The lyrics present a challenge that many of us will face. As our parents grow old, they may choose to live in places far from us, and their grandchildren. Do we support their choice to move to Florida, Arizona or Leisure World, or do we tell them to stay close by? Ultimately, we must support our parents choices, even if they want move to “Tallahasse, as long as its in Florida.”

Just living a Jewish life, and celebrating Hanukah is of course not enough. One must also dedicate themselves to Jewish education, to becoming a knowledgeable Jew. How Do You Spell Channukkahh? argues just this point, that we have achieved great things in secular education, but are crippled Jewishly. We are left trying to figure out how to spell our own holidays in transliteration.

There was never a question of how to spell Hanukkah in Ancient Israel, in Medieval Spain, in Poland, Morocco, or Persia. It was spelled in Hebrew letters, and means “œthey rested on the 25th” of Kislev, or “œthey dedicated it” on the 25th. There was never an issue of transliteration until the mass assimilation of Jews in Europe starting in mid 19th century. As Jews lost Hebrew literacy, spelling our dear traditions and Holydays became a subject of Spelling Bees.

The rest of the commentary will be published momentarily in Hanukkah Rocks Midrash Vol. 2!

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Egypt frees Israeli held for spying in prisoner swap

Egypt has freed an Israeli-Arab held in its jails for 15 years on espionage charges in exchange for the release of two Egyptians held in Israel, Egyptian and Israeli officials said on Thursday.

Uda Tarrabin, originally from a tribe in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, on the border with Israel and the Palestinian Gaza Strip, had been convicted of spying for Israel and had completed his term, Egyptian security sources and state television said.

The Israeli government said Tarrabin was already back in Israel.

“At the same time, Israel released two Egyptian prisoners who were held in Israel and had finished serving their sentences,” it said in a statement.

Neither Israeli nor Egyptian officials would comment on the identity of the Egyptian prisoners.

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Women and armed conflict: A need for a united resolution not a UN resolution

This article originally appeared on The Media Line.

The turmoil engulfing the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) today is at one of its most vicious and aggressive phases. It would seem that everywhere you look around there is a state falling apart, a nation being divided, an economy collapsing and most of all chaos and terrorism. What’s worse is the fragmentation of the social texture, which unlike infrastructure and governments, will take decades to heal.

Despite its significance, not many politicians or decision makers are prioritizing or even acknowledging the effects of conflict on culture and societies. There are the immediate concerns of deaths, injuries, displacement, food insecurity and other humanitarian emergencies, and there is the long term issue of rebuilding state institutions and putting sound political systems in place. What about the people? Aren’t they the ones who are supposed to do all that, from rebuilding the economy to enforcing and respecting the law?

According to a survey by the Heidelberg Institute for International Conflict Research (HIIK); compared to seven violent crises in the region in 2005, the number has risen to 32 in 2014. And according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, conflict forcefully placed nearly 60 million persons by end of 2014, either Internally Displaced or as refugees. With the numbers of civilian causalities increasing exponentially it becomes obvious that whatever MENA politicians are trying to do to stabilize the region is not working, that is, if they are indeed trying to do something about it rather than being the reason behind it.

Hence, comes to play the role of women as peace builders. A 2015 research highlighted in the Global Study commissioned by UN Women under the title “Preventing Conflict, Transforming Justice, Securing the Peace” emphasized the role of women in improving humanitarian assistance, peace keeping efforts and economic recovery. This study comes 15 years after the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) issued its 1325 resolution on women and armed conflict (issued in October 2000) which was created after the issuing of four similar resolutions on children and armed conflict (Resolution 1261 issued in August 1999 and Resolution 1314 issued in August 2000) and civilians and armed conflict (Resolution 1265 issued in September 1999 and Resolution 1296 issued in April 2000).

The United Nations Peace Keeping agency states that this resolution “stresses the importance of women’s equal and full participation as active agents in the prevention and resolution of conflicts, peace-building and peacekeeping. It calls on member states to ensure women’s equal participation and full involvement in all efforts for the maintenance and promotion of peace and security, and urges all actors to increase the participation of women and incorporate gender perspective in all areas of peace building.”

Since the Beijing Declaration and its Platform of action in 1995 it took women’s movements and gender activists five years to lobby for a resolution at the international level, one that would respect and facilitate the positive involvement of women in the peace process, hence the 1325 resolution in 2000. Eight years later, the UNSC issued another resolution on women and armed conflict (Resolution 1820 issued in June 2008) which “reinforces Resolution 1325 and highlights that sexual violence in conflict constitutes a war crime and demands parties to armed conflict to immediately take appropriate measures to protect civilians from sexual violence.” This was in turn followed by a two resolutions in 2009 (Resolutions 1888 and Resolution 1989 issued in September and October 2009 respectively) which aimed at “further strengthening of women's participation in peace processes and the development of indicators to measure progress on Resolution 1325..” These was again followed by another resolution (Resolution 1960) in December 2010 and two more three years later (Resolution 2106 and 2122 issued on June and October 2013 respectively) re-endorsing all the previous resolutions and inviting the Secretary-General to review resolution 1325’s implementation.

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At the international level, the UN Security Council has adopted seven resolutions on Women Peace and Security. Source UN Peace Keeping:

Resolution Number

Year of adaptation

1325

2000

1820

2008

1888

2009

1889

2009

1960

2010

2106

2013

2122

2013

Although the UNSC and its member states unanimously endorsed the various resolutions on women and armed conflict while acknowledging the fact that women were deliberately shunned away from the warfare paradigm, in reality not much has been done to follow up on these promises. In his article in the 2010 NATO Review on women and conflict, Ambassador Anwarul K. Chowdhury who was led the initiative on UN Security Council Resolution 1325 in his role as President of the Security Council expressed his disappointment at not living up to the promise. His article under the title “10 years on, the promises to women need to be kept” he says that the main point is not to make wars safe for women, but rather not to have wars in the first place by structuring the peace process in a way that prevents future conflicts. He says, “That is why women need to be at the peace tables, involved in the decision-making and in peace-keeping teams. They need to be there particularly as civilians, to make a real difference in transitioning from the cult of war to the culture of peace.”

It is not the lack of UN resolutions or international treaties that undermine the important role of women in armed conflict whether representing their best interest as victims or seriously acknowledging their contributions to peace building and conflict resolution. It is rather the lack of political will and adequate practices in peace building processes which are almost always are exclusively managed by men; that is the problem. Although in theory, there is slight improvement in the referencing of women in peace agreements. The same global study by UN Women marking 15 years since the resolution indicated that only eleven percent of signed peace agreements referenced women, a percentage that has increased to 27 percent since 2000. Naturally it is gravely inadequate to reduce women’s involvement in the peace process to a percentage of agreements where women were referenced.

There are many stories that illustrate how involvement of women in conflict resolution and peace keeping could prove significantly useful to sustaining the peace and catering to the minorities especially from a cultural perspective. Women have an innate skill in attending to the social fabrics of the society being the nurturers and the consensus builders. There are examples of heroic peace building efforts by women in conflict zones in the MENA region itself such as in Palestinian-Israel conflict, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and beyond. These stories remain of no interest to most media and decision makers who fail to see the real value of women in such turbulent times. Consider this alternative scenario of the MENA region: If at least one third if not half of the participants in the peace processes were women, would the results be any different? Would there be more peace in the region? My answer is definitely yes. Why not give women a chance to contribute to stability, after all, men have been doing it for a long time and a new way of thinking is long due.

Nadia Al-Sakkaf is a researcher and independent journalist. She was Yemen’s first Information Minister in the 2014 cabinet and the Editor of Yemen Times for nine years before that.

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Comedian George Wallace talks Jerry Seinfeld, Judaism in comedy, success and more

“>Downtown Magazine. As Jerry Seinfeld's best friend for decades, the theme of Judaism came up a few times within our Q&A, which felt right to post within the “>www.georgewallace.net.

 

You and Jerry started doing comedy together in 1976. Were there are any comics mentored you in those early days?

George Wallace: Not really. I've wanted to be a comedian since I was six years old. I watched Redd Foxx, Red Skelton is why I'm in the business, Richard Pryor, Joan Rivers, Moms Mabeley and anybody else who did comedy, because when we started there were only three networks and you had to be clean to get on those stations. So that's why [David] Letterman and [Jay] Leno and Seinfeld and [Garry] Shandling and most of us in that school are kind of clean. And the about 15 years later, the Eddie Murphys came along and then HBO, Def Comedy Jam, people start to express themselves in a different way with any kind of language…Nowadays you can say anything on pretty much any network, they just bleep it now. So mentors, I always loved David Brenner, what he did, he was kind of smart. Another mentor, not a mentor, I worked with him one time, maybe twice, and I start reading his books and I didn't finish the book, that was George Carlin. I started the book, I think it was Brain Droppings, I put the book down because this guy was so smart, I'm going “Shit, I thought I thought of that.” There were things I thought. “Operators are standing by, why are they standing, they're sitting.” There's about four or five of them and I said, “You know what, I'm not going to read anymore.” This was disappointing. He was so smart. Everybody learned a little something from Bill Cosby at that time. We were making a change into the Richard Pryor era. We were younger and everybody was so damn clean and had to be like him to make it…Mentoring? We just worked hard. We just went onstage five times a night, seven times a night. That's why I'm still into it. People can't believe I'm as old as I am and I'm still with a yellow pad at The Comic Strip and Stand Up New York and at the [Comedy] Cellar. They're going, “He's still out here doing that?” That's all I know how to do. That's my sex, that's my drugs, that's just what we do.

As a comic, how does your approach compare to Jerry’s?

George: We're two completely differently styles of comedy.

Well, you’re both observational comics…

George: You're definitely right. He's structured, he writes every day, he writes everything out. Me, I just write the subject. I went on-stage at Caroline's two weeks ago, and the MC, I just said “Stay here” and gave him the pad. I had him give me the subjects and I would run that way. Whereas Seinfeld, the whole thing is written from A to Z. He's really structured, he's really good too, he pisses me off sometimes with the premises he does. I watch him sometimes, Seinfeld is so good, but then I think I'm a better comic than him. I interact with the audience, I can get the crowd going crazy…But I'm blessed to be his best friend.

Did you ever visit his family on Long Island?

George: We were all just together last week. We're a family. We've been together to everything since 1979. I know his mom, dad, sister…Are you Jewish?

Yes I am.

George: Is it supposed to be one of the grandfathers that holds one of the legs at the briss? I think it is and I was asked to do it. When his mother died, I was asked to stand next to Jerry carrying the coffin. I'm into the family thing and I've done the dinners. That's when we really became friends, he invited me to his house for Thanksgiving in 1976. I'm a Georgia boy, I don't know anything about Jewish culture, all I know is that you had gefilte fish or something like that and I ain't eating it. I was ignorant…Everybody said, “You've got to go visit.” I got there and sitting around and I'm talking and they say dinner's ready and I'm so nervous…When I went to sit down on the dining table with his whole family, I'm just scared as hell and guess what they had at the dinner table? They had turkey, they had string beans, they had mashed potatoes, they had everything any family would have in America for Thanksgiving. I was like, “This is cool.” His dad was really funny, he used to say things like, “You want another piece of cake? One more piece of cake? You might as well, they're gonna say you ate it anyway.” (laughs) Just being a part of the family, we're all still family today. My mother died when I was 16, my dad when I was 18, so I've known Jerry longer than anybody. He's the closest person to me, maybe in my life.

You’re known to be one of the smarter and more well-adjusted comics out there…

George: There are so many things that I don't know, though. I need to go back to school. I didn't learn anything about the Holocaust when I was down in Georgia. But when I went to college in Akron, Ohio, those kids knew nothing about Black History, and I'm talking about black people. It was just black and white people there. There were a lot of Jews in Atlanta, it's always been the most progressive city because Jews and blacks got along together. Even when I grew up, my mom was a housekeeper growing up, sometimes working for Jews. But blacks and Jews were always close, blacks and Jews created the NAACP.

Well, blacks and Jews shaped hip-hop, like Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin co-founding Def Jam and Eazy-E and Jerry Heller being at the helm of N.W.A.

George: You know all of that, huh?