BRAVE-ish on KFI AM 640

Thank you to Dr. Wendy Walsh for interviewing me on your show! I loved talking about relationships and my book, BRAVE-ish!

Listen to our interview on iHeart Radio or KFI AM 640 or read the transcript below:

Dr. Wendy Walsh:

Did you ever read that book? Wild? By the woman who went on the P C T all by herself while she was solving her psychological problems or Eat, Pray, Love, whenshe ate her way around the world and prayed and came back with a love. I’m sure you did. Well, my guest on the show has written a very similar book. Her name is Lisa Niver. She’s named a number three travel influencer this year. And she talks travel on K T L A in Los Angeles, plus her YouTube channel. She’s all over social media. Her new book is called Brave-ish, One Breakup, Six Continents, and Feeling Fearless After Fifty. So what I didn’t know about Lisa Niver is that all her travel blogging began after breakup. It all had to do with relationships.

Dr. Wendy Walsh:

I mean, she ate sushi for the very first time despite having already traveled to Asia a bunch of times. That she sat on the bottom of an ocean in Mexico and learned how to identify different species of sharks, especially the aggressive ones. She raced BMWs in the rain in California. She zoomed on a Lamborghini in Vegas, On a border crossing between Tanzania and Kenya, she fixed a toilet <laugh> for people who’d never done a bucket flush. She took the plunge to skydive as her 50th challenge! Welcome Lisa Niver. You look fearless.

Lisa Niver:

Thank you. I’m so honored to be here with you.

Dr. Wendy Walsh:

So why did you decide to write this creative memoir?

Lisa Niver:

I’d say one of the main reasons I worked on this book was I remember when I was getting divorced. I felt like such a failure and I felt really alone. And I’ve spoken with a lot of other women and men who also felt like failures. And in actual fact, as you probably tell your listeners, for me, it would’ve been a failure to stay in that marriage.

Dr. Wendy Walsh:

Exactly. You know, this week in my psychology class I was teaching students about various cognitive biases we have. And one of them is called the sunk cost bias. And that is the more time and the more money you’ve invested in something, the more likely you are gonna stick to it, even if it’s awful because we have this bias to staying loyal. Right. So you gotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them.

Lisa Niver:

Yes. And so I folded them and then I was so upset and I was so sad. And I ended up working on my eyes. I had a vision problem. And then I started the 50 challenges before I was 50. And doing the 50 challenges eventually became this book.

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Buy Lisa’s book BRAVE-ish and Dr. Wendy’s book, The 30-day Love Detox